Because I thought it would be funnier with the audio~ Based on Mels post. Art belongs to Mel~
Because I thought it would be funnier with the audio~ Based on Mels post. Art belongs to Mel~
Scribbled one of the twins looking like a little shit haha
Thanks to homework, I suddenly feel a deep connection with Nightmare.
Now, where can I get a Gray to make me coffee?
Another preview from our new project….this page was so cute I couldn’t help but share it early! Precious cuties~ Blood is so weak towards open affection <3
Note: This is a sketchy comic from the inside covers-the reason why we used the handwriting style fonts, the actual story art is much clearer (but just as moe~).
TBH I’ve never found any evidence of Alice being in a comatose state back in the real world. In the truth end of Heart we see her return to her original world and her health doesn’t seem anything out of the ordinary. As for whether Wonderland is a dream or not, the answer is no, it is a separate reality and not merely a figment of Alice’s imagination. Wonderland is a land of time, and it exists regardless of Alice’s involvement. However it’s a place that’s is situated on a different plane and fundamentally different from the world Alice lives in, so it isn’t possible to ‘physically’ travel to Wonderland. That’s the reason Peter needed Nightmare’s help in bringing Alice to Wonderland-the only part of Wonderland that’s directly connected to Alice’s world is the dream space that Nightmare governs. If you read my previous post on the truth about Alice and Lorina, the happy garden conversations are actually parts of Alice’s daydream, which means it was possible for Peter to enter that dream with Nightmare’s help and bring Alice to wonderland. We can think the dream space as a unique realm where people of any world can enter and exit when they dream, and Peter chose to go out Wonderland’s exit when he took Alice with him.
Regarding Alice’s form in Wonderland, nothing specific was mentioned in the games, but since basically what Peter brought to Wonderland was Alice inside her dreams her original physical body is most likely back in the real world, and what came to Wonderland was her consciousness. That doesn’t mean Alice is a ghost in wonderland or anything, it is a crazy world where people’s bodies disappear when they die after all and Alice tangibly existing as her dream self is nothing big (it’s obvious when you notice that Alice is in college back at the real world but she thinks of her teenage years while dreaming, so she appears younger in Wonderland) . So she exists in wonderland as an entity with a physical form who can get hurt and die-something Alice tried to ignore in the first game with occasional disastrous results. In some bad ends of Heart, Alice is killed by certain roleholders while thinking it won’t be a problem since she’ll merely wake up from a dream. But that doesn’t happen and she’s implied to have died for real. I wonder if her body back in the real world will die of brain death then?
I think lots of confusion is caused by the first game where at first Nightmare and Peter repeatedly inform Alice that this world is a dream and she can just take things easy, but they were merely consoling her and giving her a chance to procrastinate her return. They wish for Alice to remain in Wonderland, and Alice will indulge in escapism only as long as she thinks this place is all a dream, her sense of responsibility will drag her back otherwise. But in Heart’s truth ending, Nightmare zealously declares to Alice that this world and its residents are not just dreams, and asks her to not deny their existence. In the later games the structure of Wonderland is explored in detail, and there isn’t any chance of everything being a by-product of Alice’s imagination anymore. In certain ends she even becomes a permanent resident of world. So yeah, Wonderland is not a dream, it’s just a crazy, fantastical world that operates on different rules from ours.
I hope my convoluted answer helped you.^o^
In the games and in the manga there is no doubt that the Jokers are portrayed as having a sinister air about them. It leads people to think that they must be the villains, however there is nowhere in the games or in the manga that call the Jokers out as villains. Many of the characters do not like them, and there are some good reasons for that, but if they are seen as villains the title is bestowed on them by the reader/player.
It cannot be argued that they are not antagonistic, but that doesn’t automatically make them villains. If you think about them in comparison to the other characters they are no worse. Peter kills the faceless anytime they inconvenience him. Vivaldi kills to release her stress. Ace gets his way through thinly veiled threats at times. Boris kills for fun. The entire Hatter Family is dripping with blood and tales best kept silent. These things aren’t even crimes in Wonderland except for some of the things the Hatters are involved in.
What do the Jokers do? They don’t have a single death on their record (not that we’ve been shown, though being that they are Wonderland residents I believe they are fully capable of it and have done it before). Their role is hated, but they are doing something good by keeping time flowing as it should. The most important thing in the story that sets the Jokers apart in their behavior from the rest of the role holders is that their intentions toward Alice are different. Alice fears them because they don’t tell her that everything she does is okay. Instead they make her face the truth, which is what the other role holders don’t want her to see. Those truths may have some very negative consequences for Alice, but there is nothing villainous about revealing those things. If the Jokers are after her then she has done something wrong.
In the Mirror World game there is a scene where we find out that both the role holders and the Jokers are bending the rules to get what they want (this adds to the already existing disliking/hatred of the Jokers). Nobody is the good guy. Alice only responds better to the other characters because they tell her that it’s okay to forget. That’s what she wants to hear (unless you play some of the Joker ends).
White Joker is very manipulative and sadistic while Black Joker is very violent and foul-mouthed, so yes, they have a self earned bad reputation. Do these traits make them the villains? I can understand why people wouldn’t like them for it even amongst the fans, but I don’t see how that reaches the level of a villain. They are the ones locking the criminals away. It would be bad if they themselves were also bad guys (and they actually joke around about this in one of the games XD).
So…this is the end of my long winded answer. I’ve seen the idea of Joker as a villain here and there and I’m glad I was able to talk about it. Thanks for that question~
I think of it this way. The Jokers purpose is to enforce the rules of the game, which means they are effectively keeping time running smoothly. That is why people like Elliot who break a clock beyond repair face punishment. This means that whatever Alice is doing is disrupting the flow of time. Both in the manga and in the game the Jokers are trying to make Alice face her guilt, her regret, her sin, HER CRIME.
Surely her crime isn’t the remorse over leaving her sister behind, or the fact that her sister is actually dead and she is denying it though those are the things she sees in the prison.
So what is her crime?
Lets take a look at Alice’s game that she must play in Wonderland. She isn’t a part of the death game that the other residents are embroiled in. Instead she is meant to fill up her vial by getting to know people, and then decide whether she will return to her world or stay in Wonderland. One world must be given up for another. In the truth end from Heart no Kuni when Alice chooses her world she is supposed to forget Wonderland. Like a dream it fades away with time. In the same way choosing to stay in Wonderland means giving up her world completely. Being a resident in Wonderland requires moving forward in your proper place in time. When she chose Wonderland she was supposed to let go of her world, but she stubbornly holds onto her memories of regret and responsibility. Therefore she isn’t moving with time, but holding on to one past time.
This is problematic for Joker because Alice is essentially gumming up the works. She is like a gear that is stuck and refuses to turn, causing problems with the flow of time (and with the way she gets tossed around the time axes I’d say she is a stuck gear that broke off and is ricocheting all over the place XD). Everyone is meant to belong somewhere and Joker is pushing Alice to make a choice so that time runs smoothly again. If she is dead set on Wonderland but will not give up her memories of her world then the prison awaits her. On the other hand, if she finds a place where she belongs, whether by choosing to be bound to a lover or just becoming content with where she is for any number of reasons, she will become a resident and everything will be fine. She could also presumably still choose to return to her world.
There really is no other reason for Joker to come after her though. He isn’t affected by her as an Outsider so that holds no bearing on him coming after her. It’s troublesome for him so he pushes her to make her final decision (and in some cases tries to get her to end up with him). The other role holders try to expand the amount of time she has in the hopes that she will stay with them.
This is how I understand it. I hope it helps.
Oh, I understand your confusion now I think. Wonderland has it’s own brand of logic that can sometimes be very different from our standards.
It makes no sense to go for Nightmare. Joker can’t touch Nightmare for anything because Nightmare hasn’t done anything bad enough to merit going to prison. Not all the rules that get broken are bad enough to put someone behind bars. Throughout the series many of the role holders break minor rules without consequence. Then there are rules that if broken will do physical damage to the rule violator as punishment. And finally it comes to the point when a rule is so heavily enforced that a person either pays for the crime in prison or faces execution.
So even though Nightmare and Peter broke some rules, none of those rules were important enough to imprison them over. Alice is the one responsible for her own game, so that is why she is the one Joker is after. True, Nightmare interferes, but not to an extreme enough extent. Even if Nightmare could be punished it wouldn’t help the matter any. Alice is the one who must make her choice or everything will still be in chaos.
There’s a lot of information to take in from this series. I’ve been digesting the information for years and there are still questions unanswered. Good luck with your continued reading. I hope this answer clears up the confusing bits more than my last one did for you.